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* Republican, Democratic proposals not expected to pass

* But they will open new phase in deficit debate

By David Lawder and Mark Felsenthal

WASHINGTON, March 11 (Reuters) – With little prospect of

getting rid of the automatic spending cuts that kicked in on

March 1, the U.S. Congress and the White House will move on to

bigger budget battles this week as dueling Republican and

Democratic proposals land in the House of Representatives and

the Senate.

Neither budget plan is likely to be enacted. But the

proposals to be submitted by Republican Representative Paul Ryan

of Wisconsin and Democratic Senator Patty Murray of Washington

should frame the debate over the government’s taxing and

spending priorities for the next few months and possibly into

the 2014 Congressional elections.

The budgets from Ryan and Murray, who chair the budget

committees in the two chambers, are widely seen as wish-lists

unacceptable to the opposing party, underscoring the depth of

the fiscal divide.

Ryan plans to unveil on Tuesday a slightly modified version

of the budgets passed by the House in each of the past two

years, cutting spending by $5 trillion over a decade and

partially privatizing the Medicare health plan for retirees and

dismantling President Barack Obama’s healthcare overhaul law.

With the help of $620 billion in new tax increases on the

wealthy as a result of the January “fiscal cliff” deal, Ryan’s

plan aims to balance the budget by 2023, compared with 2040 in

his last year’s proposal. But further tax increases are out of

the question, he said on Sunday.

Murray has signaled that her budget will aim to give the

economy some breathing room to allow faster growth in the next

few years, while maintaining social safety net programs and

making critical investments in education and research.

Her budget is not expected to achieve balance as Ryan’s

does, but will aim to shrink deficits down to a sustainable

level that will allow debt as a percentage of the economy to

start declining.

The plan will get there by eliminating some of the estimated

$1 trillion in “tax expenditures” – subsidies paid through tax

deductions, credits and other exclusions. Based on Murray’s

comments and recent Senate Democratic proposals to replace the

automatic cuts, these loophole closures will focus on the

wealthy.

“At a time when we absolutely must cut where we can, looking

at ways we can close special tax breaks that aren’t targeted to

help the middle class or our economy just makes sense,” Murray

told a Senate Budget Committee hearing last week.

“There’s no good reason, for example, that taxpayers

currently subsidize millionaires more, when they purchase a

second home, or a yacht, than they do middle-class families

purchasing their first home.”

Many Republicans, including Ryan, also want to close these

loopholes, but they want to divert the savings to reduce tax

rates. This sort of comprehensive tax reform, they argue, will

create a simpler, cleaner tax code that will foster economic

growth.

The budget proposals will focus on the 2014 fiscal year that

starts on Oct. 1, leaving in place the first $85 billion in

automatic cuts – called the “sequestration” – at least for the

time being.

A Senate Democratic bill to fund the government through the

end of the current fiscal year will make no effort to replace

the cuts, focusing instead on ways to grant agencies authority

to better manage their expenditures.

“We know that coming up with the $85 billion to solve

sequester has to be done at the leadership and presidential

level,” the bill’s author, Senate Appropriations Committee Chair

Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, said last week.

The White House on Monday acknowledged that elimination of

the across-the-board spending cuts will likely come only as part

of a larger, comprehensive budget deal with Republicans, many of

whom are determined to keep the $85 billion in savings.

“So, our focus now, as the president has said, is on working

with Congress” on the regular budget process, “and through that

process hopefully produce a bipartisan agreement on deficit

reduction,” White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

NEW STARTING LINES

The week marks “a transitional moment” for Congress, said

one aide, because it represents a return to the normal

legislative process of considering budget resolutions in both

chambers.

For more than two years, Washington has lurched from crisis

to crisis amid “leadership-brokered” deficit deals and stop-gap

spending extensions.

The Democratic-controlled Senate has not passed a formal

budget resolution in nearly four years.

By returning to so-called “regular order,” the

Republican-controlled House in particular aims to engage more

lawmakers in the process of deciding how to cut deficits so that

there is more support among rank-and-file members for the

finished product.

The last two major deficit deals were reached at the last

minute at the highest levels of the White House and Congress,

staving off a potentially devastating debt default in 2011 and

averting a massive tax increase on Jan. 1.

Obama will continue his efforts to engage congressional

Republicans and Democrats directly, by holding meetings with

lawmakers this week.

Obama’s shift to a “charm offensive” in dealing with members

of Congress likely reflects a sense of public weariness from

endless budget battles, said Steve Bell, a former staff director

of the Senate Budget Committee and now with the Bipartisan

Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

“It’s important to change the subject away from debts and

deficits and instead talk about things where you can make

progress – immigration reform, for example, or on guns,” Bell

said.

With the effects of the automatic spending reductions yet to

fully kick in, the president may be counting on public pressure

to build on for an alternative to the deep cuts, Bell said.

In the meantime, the president can establish links with

members of Congress of both parties and work on other issues.